giving back to the source

25 10 2006

 

 

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Oops… that last post? My teacher came back to my blog today, called me and told me I had gotten off track with his comments. For the record, the main topic wasn’t about blogs; the blog topic was only a momentary aside. And what is interesting, and reflective of something I believe we all do, is that the main thing he was showing me yesterday? …well, I pretty much ignored it.

Read on and check it out. After a few introductory comments, you can read what he actually said to me today.

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Sensei was talking yesterday about the Art of Giving, and how these principles are in a certain order, and that inherent in the running of these principles, or (as we call it) ‘the loop’, there are elements that often get overlooked: including the order, that it is a sequential, dynamic loop, and that we should always give a portion of the proceeds or benefits back to the source. Not understanding these things, we end up practicing and living the individual principles of the Art of Giving, but never get the machine, so to speak, up and running.

What does that mean, giving back to the source? According to Sensei, this is an essential ingredient. It is something we may be doing in many parts of our lives and applications, but it is likely to be something we do not understand when viewed within the context of the formula for the Art of Giving. He reminded me that we keep missing that point.

One way to look at it is as a tithe - as we respect a value, and then appreciate it, we take part of that appreciation, and in gratitude for that increased value, we return some of it to the source of our understanding, bringing it, so to speak, into the temple of understanding, and placing it on the altar, that place which is the source of our understanding, guidance or improvement.

The ‘altar’ should be the thing or person in our lives who best represents that – within the context of our own individual applications. If it is a person, it isn’t necessarily the person delivering the message… since they may only be the messenger. Also, use of the word ‘altar’ is unimportant, as it is only being used to convey the idea of what is going on.

Anyway, after reading his insight about the principles being listed in an incorrect order - i.e., my last post - I didn’t think to ask (nor did anyone else) something like “Hmm, why would that be important?” We didn’t individually or collectively wonder why my teacher would say something like that. And he views that behavior as a problem. I have been studying with him long enough that I agree with his assessment, but I forget, slip, get distracted, etc. He doesn’t forget; that’s why he’s Sensei (teacher).

So, another perspective of giving back to the source is by asking a question, but not just a question for question’s sake - rather, a question that has emerged because we stopped and put a value on what was being said, found something there to respect, appreciated it and then took at least some of that increased value (resulting from the act of appreciation) and returned it to the source, in this case a question directed toward my teacher. This is only an example, but it makes the point.

Sensei told me today, “The principles of being a Giver allow you to continually improve your connection to the Divine, as giving becomes your reason for Being, and sharing that becomes your way of Being.”

Here is some more of what I captured, quoted directly (any errors are mine):

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I can see when people are giving [referring to some of us bloggers, and people in general] that it appears they are looking to give and share in ways that are significantly impacting. I definitely see that and respect that, and don’t take anything away from that.

But what I am trying to explain to you is in order to make this effort superconductive, there is a set of principles to do this by, and they have to be done in a certain order to make that happen. Superconductivity is something that improves as we improve our relationship to the source, or the current of a particular application. People don’t understand that, and don’t understand typically how to improve their coordination in that.

So the application to the Path of Understanding through the Art of Giving - where we are looking to improve our connection to the Divine, as a way of being, moment by moment, so that our lives become more conductive to what we are wanting them to be about - requires a particular form of principled application where we are looking to produce more of the value that will support that ideal, by cultivating a relationship with that ideal because we practice toward it, and then give a portion of our produced value and understanding back to the source or the current or to our connection to higher understanding.

We do this so that we can continue to grow that higher understanding in a more and more apparent way. This apparent growth takes something that is normally transparent and invisible, and brings it to become apparent and visible. As it becomes more apparent it is because it is using the creative force more conductively, and that’s what produces offspring. [He gave a nice big laugh here.]

I see this occurring, but the system only goes so far, because while the right principles are being used, the order and the formula for getting them in motion is not there. You are looking at principles as stand alone, versus a motor, a machine. This is a dynamic process involving a set of principles.

What people are doing is finding value in particular principles, and that is good, but they are losing sight of the dynamic process that these principles are a component of, and it is the process and your ability to have facility with that which allows you to become more purposeful and to improve your connection with the Divine, the current, the living thing.

This is the difference between static study and dynamic study. Both are important, but the static is only important in how it supports our understanding of the dynamic.

 

 

 


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17 responses to “giving back to the source”

25 10 2006
kathy (21:27:19) :

is it really that complicated?
to give back to our source?
do i nee to be told
how and in what order?
doesn’t that too defeat
the purpose?

25 10 2006
kathy (21:28:48) :

your picture the red-emptyhead..
it looks angry to me.

25 10 2006
kathy (21:37:01) :

what are Sensei’s principles of
giving back to the source?

25 10 2006
mark walter (21:38:57) :

Kathy - it needs to be put into the context of what we are talking about here… an advanced application in the Art of Giving. This application discussion is not about telling us how and where to give, and it recognizes all forms of giving. My teacher is addressing me, and I am electing to share that.

I am a student in studies and applications, some of which are a little more ‘advanced’ than others, not meaing that I am so big advanced guy. I hope I don’t come across as smug, cuz I am just a regular guy who also happens to be pretty determined and tenacious.

I also hope eveyone sees this in the context of how it is being laid out… an opportunity to share in the discussion between a  deep teacher of the inner way and one of his students.

At the same time, since we are kinda laying it ‘out there’, it gives anyone who stops in here a chance to be involved. How or whether someone involves themselves is completely open.

Public discussions on such subject matter rarely occurs. It can get intense and pointed, which can give fellow travelers, who perhaps have not had a chance to study with someone like Sensei, it can give them a sense of what this particular room of study feels like.

By no means is anything being said here a condemnation or judgement. And I haven’t heard you or anyone say that, but I feel led to clarify that for all of us. Sensei and I often talk very directly with each other, and the deeper you study with someone, the more of that directness you encounter. We are also both Jiu Jitsu guys, a martial art that is very much centered on the point.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy seeing how this unfolds, and yes, by all means, continue to speak up, ask, comment on anything you feel led to discuss. BTW: the pic depicts that we are off track on certain things, but if we can get our ‘head screwed on right’, gosh… that makes all the differance. lol. :)

25 10 2006
kathy (21:51:12) :

an “advanced” application in the Art of
Giving.
okay I’ll let this unfold and wait to
see what it all means.

Peace & Love

25 10 2006
kathy (21:58:45) :

Mark About the picture

I came from a very religious background
where people tried very hard to screw
my head into thier so-called right
and only way view! it didn’t work
on me!

All conditioned things are impermanent. Work out your own salvation with diligence….The Buddha’s last words.

25 10 2006
Ethan (22:02:48) :

Mark,
That is some very heavy reading. I was actually thinking about your giving post today. Your post, and a couple other things triggered a bit of processing in me. Where things come apart almost like a small rock slide and then get reconfigured in a more purposeful way. I was going to ask if you had further thoughts on being careful with a giver. Can somebody take more than is given and hurt the giver? The writeup on static principles versus their part in a dynamic process to connect deserves comment but I don’t know if I can grasp it enough to ask one. Maybe try to explain the dynamic process and when a specific static principle is used in description, link to an old blog on that principle. Are these processes steady state? Or is it more biologic with things happening at varying rates? Feel like I’m shooting in the dark here.

25 10 2006
mark walter (22:03:49) :

Kathy - I come out of the same background, so just to be clear… this is not about someone pounding out a point of view that there is only one way to live or only one way to the center. However, in the case of advanced applications in the Art of Giving, there are some guidelines to follow if we want to turn things up a notch, so to speak. In some respects, this is no differant than a coach telling a team… you gotta follow these drills if you want to win a game.

So, hopefully this discussion will continue to open up, and we can all have a fun ride! :)

25 10 2006
kathy (22:15:16) :

Okay Mark…as long as you know that
my spirituality is not a game.
And I’m not interested in winning
anything!

25 10 2006
mark walter (22:27:08) :

Hey Kathy… probably a poor analogy. I hear you, and hope you hear I am on the page with you.

Certain churches approach things in a way I consider harmful and irresponsible. Clearly spirituality is not a game, although there are many spirtual paths or religions that can be manipulative, all the while believing they are sincere and doing the right thing, yet engaging in certain behaviors that are appalling and disgraceful.

My site is open and welcoming, and embraces people who have open minds and warm hearts. I don’t care where people come from, but if they are kind enough to spend a few minutes here, it is always a welcoming place.

Yes, there are some rules of navigation when it comes to going deeper and deeper on the path, just as our highways have rules as well. But these rules, or principles, are universal and eternal, not earthbound, not distorted, not manipulative.

I don’t subscribe to that, and I think my blog clearly demonstrates that. So, again, I hope you hear that I am on the page with you. I think you are great! :)

25 10 2006
mark walter (22:34:24) :

Ethan - thanks for jumping in this. Very good questions. I am going to gather yours and any others up, and present them to Sensei.

“Being careful with a Giver…” Big enough topic to do a whole post on. Lemme think about that just a bit. Darn good comment. Darn good. :)

26 10 2006
kathy (00:30:43) :

I need to the learn the Art of keeping my big mouth shut in comments. :-D

I seem to get huffy-puffy when i don’t understand something.

I’m sorry. will try to work on this.

luv ya!

26 10 2006
Jon Zuck (00:39:37) :

Cool stuff, but I do find the order, etc. a bit dense. But I get the part about giving back. At least I think I do…

Thanks1

26 10 2006
mark walter (02:31:09) :

Jon - well, it IS dense. It took me at least 2 years before I even began to get it. Since then it has become easier to explain and see… but as in all deeper studies and applications, there is typically a lot going on down beneath the words… they are usually only the tip of a very big iceburg.

27 10 2006
James Souttar (07:19:24) :

Mark

You’ve made some really important points, which are very useful for where I am at the moment. Sensei’s distinction between the ‘principles’ and the ‘machine’, in particular.

As an aside, many years ago a long time student of these matters pointed out to me - in the casual, almost ‘throwaway’ manner of someone who has been with a real teacher - the importance of ‘priming the pump’. This is a different point, but it is connected with the art of giving, and I think with Sensei’s point of offering something back. The issue here is that if one wants to receive, one needs first to put the machine in motion by giving.

My own master makes another point, related to this, which is that in order to make more money, we need to spend more. In fact this is really about all giving and receiving - if we want to channel more energy or to have more wisdom, we have to allow the ‘flow’ to become greater. Once again, a New Testament parable comes to mind - that of the ‘talents’. Keeping our money in the bank, not sharing our energy or applying our knowledge effectively inhibits the operation of the ‘pump’, and nothing flows.

27 10 2006
mark walter (23:07:56) :

James - thank you for stopping in. I hope that you are able to find some value in where this conversation goes… it will probably not resume until Sunday or Monday, as Sensei is tied up for the next day or so. And, just to roll with your point a bit further, Sensei is pointing out that as the machine gets primed and rolling, and the flow starts to occur, that we should take a portion of the ever increasing flow (due to the sequences of how we are running the loop, and the principle of appreciation), and return that portion to the source. That will be the persective he is coming from.

9 11 2006
A Night Light Goes Off « erronia - everyday flushes (07:36:22) :

[...] Over at http://eternalawareness.wordpress.com/ there has been several great lessons on The Art of Giving.  The principles of giving - Respect, Appreciation, Gratitude and Value - include returning part of the appreciated value to the source.  (see this post for more information on the Art of Giving http://eternalawareness.wordpress.com/2006/10/25/giving-back-to-the-source/) [...]

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